Thanks for getting in touch :) I hope you're well!
I just wanted to let you know I got your email. I have a big deadline this week so I will only be able to respond properly next week.
PS: Do you have a timeline for the logo? My schedule is a bit full for the rest of the year, but I can see what I can do. Otherwise January 2023 would work really well for me.
PPS: I'm happy to chat in a public space. I'll respond there next week.
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> Hello Loïc!
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> Thanks for getting in touch :) I hope you're well!
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> I just wanted to let you know I got your email. I have a big deadline this week so I will only be able to respond properly next week.
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> PS: Do you have a timeline for the logo? My schedule is a bit full for the rest of the year, but I can see what I can do. Otherwise January 2023 would work really well for me.
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> PPS: I'm happy to chat in a public space. I'll respond there next week.
This is great news! A logo is such an important part of the visual identity of the project that it makes sense to do it right instead of rushing it. I'll discuss that with everyone else involved and let you know next week if January 2023 would work.
Cheers
P.S. The discussion now happens here and I look forward to continue this conversation in public.
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> Bonjour [redacted],
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> This is great news! A logo is such an important part of the visual identity of the project that it makes sense to do it right instead of rushing it. I'll discuss that with everyone else involved and let you know next week if January 2023 would work.
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> Cheers
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> P.S. The discussion now happens [here](https://codeberg.org/codename/meta/issues/23) and I look forward to continue this conversation in public.
@circlebuilder you started a private discussion with D. Revoy and it seems to indicate he would be willing to create a logo and more. If I'm not mistaken you also wrote that you were willing to work with him until this is complete.
For this reason, I'm inclined to explain to http://fixate.it/ that they are a fallback option in case D. Revoy is not available. I don't think they will be offended to not be the first people we thought about. They will probably be amused that I'm admiting to it :-)
As you can see I removed the logo from the launch milestone because this is one thing that cannot be rushed nor iterated upon. I assume it is better to not have a logo at all before the launch rather than a temporary logo.
With that in mind... would you be willing to be assigned this task?
@circlebuilder you started a private discussion with D. Revoy and it seems to indicate he would be willing to create a logo and more. If I'm not mistaken you also wrote that you were willing to work with him until this is complete.
For this reason, I'm inclined to explain to http://fixate.it/ that they are a fallback option in case D. Revoy is not available. I don't think they will be offended to not be the first people we thought about. They will probably be amused that I'm admiting to it :-)
As you can see I removed the logo from the launch milestone because this is one thing that cannot be rushed nor iterated upon. I assume it is better to not have a logo at all before the launch rather than a temporary logo.
With that in mind... would you be willing to be assigned this task?
@dachary Yes, you are correct. I got confirmation by David to help with this. Then DM'ed on Matrix, and followed up by mail. But I haven't got a response thus far. Will gently ping again as soon as name choice is behind us.
Update: I sent David an update on naming status via the fedi this morning.
If Smithy is chosen we have to make sure not to use a logo similar to the aws one.
Should be easy.. their logo is a hammer, not a smithy. And then we take a cool mascotte too.
Hot molten iron being poored into a mold, might be a nice one. "Mold the iron while it is hot" is a Dutch saying, meaning "You should take an opportunity when it presents itself".
@dachary Yes, you are correct. I got confirmation by David to help with this. Then DM'ed on Matrix, and followed up by mail. But I haven't got a response thus far. Will gently ping again as soon as name choice is behind us.
Update: I sent David an update on naming status via the fedi this morning.
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Mentioned in [chat](https://matrix.to/#/!qjPHwFPdxhpLkXMkyP:matrix.org/$Vsv7uU-w-QRBx-pUZqnnbSypIfcpxdr2B_yL1oHlyA4?via=matrix.org&via=exozy.me&via=tchncs.de) by @codejs:
> If Smithy is chosen we have to make sure not to use a logo similar to the aws one.
Should be easy.. their logo is a hammer, not a smithy. And then we take a cool mascotte too.
Hot molten iron being poored into a mold, might be a nice one. "Mold the iron while it is hot" is a Dutch saying, meaning "You should take an opportunity when it presents itself".
I received a message from fixate.it on friday. They were about to check the status of the project and used the previous URL codename/meta#23 ... I should have thought to update them with the new name. I expect they will see this message some time next week and that they will post here to continue the discussion.
@circlebuilder I assume you have no news from David Revoy?
I received a message from fixate.it on friday. They were about to check the status of the project and used the previous URL https://codeberg.org/codename/meta/issues/23 ... I should have thought to update them with the new name. I expect they will see this message some time next week and that they will post here to continue the discussion.
@circlebuilder I assume you have no news from David Revoy?
I think I'm all caught up on your conversation, but let me know if I've missed anything, given my reply below:
We are 100% happy if you manage to find someone else to work on your logo. As I explained to Loïc, we have a pretty big backlog of work at the moment. Recent developments indicate the soonest we can start work on the logo is nearer the end of January. So no worries if we're your fallbacks ;)
The logo process can take anywhere between 4 - 6 weeks, depending on feedback.
Are you working with any kind of funding, or budgets for this kind of work?
I look forward to your reply!
Hi everyone! This is Cassie from Fixate :)
I think I'm all caught up on your conversation, but let me know if I've missed anything, given my reply below:
* We are 100% happy if you manage to find someone else to work on your logo. As I explained to Loïc, we have a pretty big backlog of work at the moment. Recent developments indicate the soonest we can start work on the logo is nearer the end of January. So no worries if we're your fallbacks ;)
* The logo process can take anywhere between 4 - 6 weeks, depending on feedback.
* Are you working with any kind of funding, or budgets for this kind of work?
I look forward to your reply!
Thanks for taking the time to read through the backlog: it is quite noisy 😄 And I'm specially grateful for the clarity regarding your availability. It makes sense for Forgejo to get a logo as soon as possible but there seems to be an agreement among everyone involved that it is not something that can be rushed.
If that's ok with you and if noone objects, would you be ok to reserve time to work on that logo starting end of January?
Forgejo is currently a volunteer based project but funding is being worked on. A grant application will be sent in a week and there are discussions about a donation campaign. The long term sustainability of Forgejo requires a healthy mix of volunteers and paid staff.
How much would it cost for you to work on the Forgejo logo?
Cheers
Hi Cassie,
Thanks for taking the time to read through the backlog: it is quite noisy 😄 And I'm specially grateful for the clarity regarding your availability. It makes sense for Forgejo to get a logo as soon as possible but there seems to be an agreement among everyone involved that it is not something that can be rushed.
If that's ok with you and if noone objects, would you be ok to reserve time to work on that logo starting end of January?
Forgejo is currently a volunteer based project but funding is being worked on. A grant application will be sent in a week and there are discussions about a donation campaign. The long term sustainability of Forgejo requires a healthy mix of volunteers and paid staff.
How much would it cost for you to work on the Forgejo logo?
Cheers
@dachary no, but as I suggested in chat I think we should make this as least time-consuming to David as possible. We can have all the content and layout in place and already brainstormed what kind of visuals would be nice. So David can immediately start sketching.
Also I think that maybe logo is a different task than mascotte. The logo could be done by others, will likely have a different style. Maybe based on a small crisp logo image, a larger hand-drawn sketched might be used.
(E.g. think of the blacksmith fantasy animal forging the logo.. holding it with plyers while steaming hot, etc)
> I assume you have no news from David Revoy?
@dachary no, but as I suggested in chat I think we should make this as least time-consuming to David as possible. We can have all the content and layout in place and already brainstormed what kind of visuals would be nice. So David can immediately start sketching.
Also I think that maybe logo is a different task than mascotte. The logo could be done by others, will likely have a different style. Maybe based on a small crisp logo image, a larger hand-drawn sketched might be used.
(E.g. think of the blacksmith fantasy animal forging the logo.. holding it with plyers while steaming hot, etc)
For the record: as a stop-gap solution we picked a logo that was developed by a volunteer (non-designer) until we have something proper.
Where is this interim logo available?
> For the record: as a stop-gap solution we picked a logo that was developed by a volunteer (non-designer) until we have something proper.
Where is this interim logo available?
I'll upload the files here later (I'm not at my computer now). It's currently set as the avatar for the Codeberg org @forgejo and the fedi account https://floss.social/@forgejo.
>Where is this interim logo available?
I'll upload the files here later (I'm not at my computer now). It's currently set as the avatar for the Codeberg org @forgejo and the fedi account https://floss.social/@forgejo.
Here is the "interim logo" in PNG format and the Inkscape SVG file for editing.
My idea was to create a logo based on the style of a Git branch / fork icon, but in the shape of a letter F. I'm not much of a designer… so I'm sure others can improve on it! Some colour might help too.
It was discussed yesterday on Matrix, where @circlebuilder pointed out that the logos for ForgeFriends, ForgeFed, and Social Coding all have a similar style / incorporate Git/DVCS branching iconography.
If we were to eventually go with a logo based on this idea, that would help to tie all these related projects together as a family.
@Ryuno-Ki pointed out that the rounded corners are appropriate for the concept of a "soft fork".
Here is the "interim logo" in PNG format and the Inkscape SVG file for editing.
My idea was to create a logo based on the style of a Git branch / fork icon, but in the shape of a letter F. I'm not much of a designer… so I'm sure others can improve on it! Some colour might help too.
It was [discussed yesterday on Matrix](https://matrix.to/#/!qjPHwFPdxhpLkXMkyP:matrix.org/$ATSBuaHa_K2nnW3Iufl_Sk75dzJCj5oX3w8m5O1dWyU), where @circlebuilder pointed out that the logos for ForgeFriends, ForgeFed, and Social Coding all have a similar style / incorporate Git/DVCS branching iconography.
If we were to eventually go with a logo based on this idea, that would help to tie all these related projects together as a family.
@Ryuno-Ki pointed out that the rounded corners are appropriate for the concept of a "soft fork".
Really nice "interim logo". It has already spread and since it is "interim" I'm good with the idea that there is no vote or collective decision about it. It goes a long way to be able to launch on December 1st since @foxlet can use it for web design.
Really nice "interim logo". It has already spread and since it is "interim" I'm good with the idea that there is no vote or collective decision about it. It goes a long way to be able to launch on December 1st since @foxlet can use it for web design.
Thanks for taking the time to read through the backlog: it is quite noisy 😄 And I'm specially grateful for the clarity regarding your availability. It makes sense for Forgejo to get a logo as soon as possible but there seems to be an agreement among everyone involved that it is not something that can be rushed.
If that's ok with you and if noone objects, would you be ok to reserve time to work on that logo starting end of January?
Forgejo is currently a volunteer based project but funding is being worked on. A grant application will be sent in a week and there are discussions about a donation campaign. The long term sustainability of Forgejo requires a healthy mix of volunteers and paid staff.
How much would it cost for you to work on the Forgejo logo?
Cheers
@dachary Sorry for the slow reply... these last few weeks of the year are sometimes the craziest!
We usually charge for logo work by the hour, and our hourly rate is $72/hr. Ultimately the amount of hours depend on the complexity of the work. While a logo seems simple, it takes a lot of work and thought to get right (for example, how does the logo read when really small vs really big?). On average we find that it takes about 20 hours to give our clients 2 - 3 logo options (depending on the design complexity).
Let me know your thoughts!
> Hi Cassie,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read through the backlog: it is quite noisy 😄 And I'm specially grateful for the clarity regarding your availability. It makes sense for Forgejo to get a logo as soon as possible but there seems to be an agreement among everyone involved that it is not something that can be rushed.
>
> If that's ok with you and if noone objects, would you be ok to reserve time to work on that logo starting end of January?
>
> Forgejo is currently a volunteer based project but funding is being worked on. A grant application will be sent in a week and there are discussions about a donation campaign. The long term sustainability of Forgejo requires a healthy mix of volunteers and paid staff.
>
> How much would it cost for you to work on the Forgejo logo?
>
> Cheers
@dachary Sorry for the slow reply... these last few weeks of the year are sometimes the craziest!
We usually charge for logo work by the hour, and our hourly rate is $72/hr. Ultimately the amount of hours depend on the complexity of the work. While a logo seems simple, it takes a lot of work and thought to get right (for example, how does the logo read when really small vs really big?). On average we find that it takes about 20 hours to give our clients 2 - 3 logo options (depending on the design complexity).
Let me know your thoughts!
@CassieZ there is no need to apologize, there is no time pressure, it is good to have time to do thing right. I'll answer in the followup issue at #45
@CassieZ there is no need to apologize, there is no time pressure, it is good to have time to do thing right. I'll answer in the followup issue at https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/45
Here is the "interim logo" in PNG format and the Inkscape SVG file for editing.
My idea was to create a logo based on the style of a Git branch / fork icon, but in the shape of a letter F. I'm not much of a designer… so I'm sure others can improve on it! Some colour might help too.
It was discussed yesterday on Matrix, where @circlebuilder pointed out that the logos for ForgeFriends, ForgeFed, and Social Coding all have a similar style / incorporate Git/DVCS branching iconography.
If we were to eventually go with a logo based on this idea, that would help to tie all these related projects together as a family.
@Ryuno-Ki pointed out that the rounded corners are appropriate for the concept of a "soft fork".
Could this (nice) interim logo be pushed to the https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta repository? I was thinking about where to write down "this is where the interim logo can be found" information but I can't figure it out right now. Maybe a README in the meta repository would be appropriate?
> Here is the "interim logo" in PNG format and the Inkscape SVG file for editing.
>
> My idea was to create a logo based on the style of a Git branch / fork icon, but in the shape of a letter F. I'm not much of a designer… so I'm sure others can improve on it! Some colour might help too.
>
> It was [discussed yesterday on Matrix](https://matrix.to/#/!qjPHwFPdxhpLkXMkyP:matrix.org/$ATSBuaHa_K2nnW3Iufl_Sk75dzJCj5oX3w8m5O1dWyU), where @circlebuilder pointed out that the logos for ForgeFriends, ForgeFed, and Social Coding all have a similar style / incorporate Git/DVCS branching iconography.
> If we were to eventually go with a logo based on this idea, that would help to tie all these related projects together as a family.
>
> @Ryuno-Ki pointed out that the rounded corners are appropriate for the concept of a "soft fork".
Could this (nice) interim logo be pushed to the https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta repository? I was thinking about where to write down "this is where the interim logo can be found" information but I can't figure it out right now. Maybe a README in the meta repository would be appropriate?
I pushed the optimized files to https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/src/branch/readme/logo
(I hand-optimized the SVG so it is clean and much smaller than the Inkscape file. It can still be edited in Inkscape if desired.)
I'll come back to the README at [forgejo/forgejo](https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo) tomorrow.
In case you aren't aware: SVGOMG can optimise SVGs quite well as well.
Regarding the logo: I tried to capture discussions about it in the issue tracker as well so to already answer some questions that might come up.
Given the hourly rate (and we have some time until end of January?) we could thinking about where the money should come from to pay for the design work.
In case you aren't aware: SVGOMG can optimise SVGs quite well as well.
Regarding the logo: I tried to capture discussions about it in the issue tracker as well so to already answer some questions that might come up.
Given the hourly rate (and we have some time until end of January?) we could thinking about where the money should come from to pay for the design work.
SVGO is great (and SVGOMG is a great frontend for it). I actually ran the Inkscape SVG thorough it first, and then cleaned up the resulting code and rewrote the path commands to give a cleaner / more semantic (and actually even smaller) result.
SVGO is great (and SVGOMG is a great frontend for it). I actually ran the Inkscape SVG thorough it first, and then cleaned up the resulting code and rewrote the path commands to give a cleaner / more semantic (and actually even smaller) result.
As we discussed today in chat.. if its up to me no logo contest or commission is needed. If there's a logo contest, then use the intermediate logo a prescription and ask for further improvement to the design (color, style, that's it).
As we discussed today in chat.. if its up to me no logo contest or commission is needed. If there's a logo contest, then use the intermediate logo a prescription and ask for further improvement to the design (color, style, that's it).
@caesar I'm impressed 👍 I hope I've sorted out the interim/future/definitive logo issues correctly. If all is ok on your end feel free to close this one again!
@caesar I'm impressed 👍 I hope I've sorted out the interim/future/definitive logo issues correctly. If all is ok on your end feel free to close this one again!
To be clear, I only ever intended the image I created to be a demonstration of an idea, or at most a temporary logo.
But assuming everyone is happy with it (which seems to be the case from the feedback I have seen), I am very happy for it to become our permanent logo.
That being the case, I will play with developing it a bit and adding some colours. I already have some ideas 😄
I'm happy to leave this open until that is done, and I'll assign myself.
Alternatively if you want to close it to decultter the tracker that's fine too as I can still post updates here anyway.
Thanks @dachary!
To be clear, I only ever intended [the image I created](https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/23#issuecomment-693408) to be a demonstration of an idea, or at most a temporary logo.
But assuming everyone is happy with it (which seems to be the case from the feedback I have seen), I am very happy for it to become our permanent logo.
That being the case, I will play with developing it a bit and adding some colours. I already have some ideas 😄
I'm happy to leave this open until that is done, and I'll assign myself.
Alternatively if you want to close it to decultter the tracker that's fine too as I can still post updates here anyway.
I was playing with colours for the logo this evening and came up with a few options shown below. I think my favourite is the second, but the thrid could also work.
Tomorrow I will try to find a suitable font for a wordmark "Forgejo" using this "F" as the first letter. If anyone has any font suggestions (suitably-licensed) I'd be grateful.
I was playing with colours for the logo this evening and came up with a few options shown below. I think my favourite is the second, but the thrid could also work.
Tomorrow I will try to find a suitable font for a wordmark "Forgejo" using this "F" as the first letter. If anyone has any font suggestions (suitably-licensed) I'd be grateful.
Tomorrow I will try to find a suitable font for a wordmark "Forgejo" using this "F" as the first letter. If anyone has any font suggestions (suitably-licensed) I'd be grateful.
> Tomorrow I will try to find a suitable font for a wordmark "Forgejo" using this "F" as the first letter. If anyone has any font suggestions (suitably-licensed) I'd be grateful.
It seems that a hero image proposal with a wordmark has been already submitted: <https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/15#issuecomment-698244>. Perhaps the two efforts could coordinate?
Indeed, both this work and that are the fruit of the same discussion in Matrix 👍
> It seems that a hero image proposal with a wordmark has been already submitted: <https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/15#issuecomment-698244>. Perhaps the two efforts could coordinate?
Indeed, both this work and that are the fruit of the same discussion in Matrix 👍
I have also been playing with some options for a wordmark, which has been discussed today on Matrix with many variants presented.
I attatch below my latest variant, with different colour options. (The different colours could be used as appropriate in different places. Orange has the advantage of standing out on both light and dark backgorunds, whilst the white and black versions could be used where the backgorund colour is known.)
Based on any feedback I receive I can make some more changes tomorrow, or I'm also happy if people want to take a different approach altogether.
Based on the comments from above, I pushed the "v2" image from above to https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/src/branch/readme/logo and set it as the logo on the Codeberg / Matrix / Fediverse accounts.
I have also been playing with some options for a wordmark, which has been [discussed today on Matrix](https://matrix.to/#/!qjPHwFPdxhpLkXMkyP:matrix.org/$4fvXBnxZ16WTPp0gOBjHl8A1w4fbrYmtJ8hS-lmWK2E) with many variants presented.
I attatch below my latest variant, with different colour options. (The different colours could be used as appropriate in different places. Orange has the advantage of standing out on both light and dark backgorunds, whilst the white and black versions could be used where the backgorund colour is known.)
<img width="50%" src="https://codeberg.org/attachments/37bbaabc-4307-4e9d-b47f-33ee4313ff28" />
<img width="50%" src="https://codeberg.org/attachments/5e85a57e-b3fd-48cf-88a6-5166b8a89c01" />
<img width="50%" src="https://codeberg.org/attachments/56dbd75f-31bf-4817-8908-ee91e197dc33" />
Based on any feedback I receive I can make some more changes tomorrow, or I'm also happy if people want to take a different approach altogether.
I have the same opinion. @foxlet second version does it for me. The nice round emblem does better as small icon than the stand-alone F which start looking very thin and hard to discern. I find it still clear there are git / revision control branches involved, that represent an F and the rotation makes the logo look more playful, a creative abstraction.
The version also is neatly rectangular whereas the other version causes a lot of empty whitespace above the rest of the text, making it less suitable to be used in header menu bars (think e.g. discourse forum and project docs). I also like the font better.
I have the same opinion. @foxlet second version does it for me. The nice round emblem does better as small icon than the stand-alone F which start looking very thin and hard to discern. I find it still clear there are git / revision control branches involved, that represent an F and the rotation makes the logo look more playful, a creative abstraction.
The version also is neatly rectangular whereas the other version causes a lot of empty whitespace above the rest of the text, making it less suitable to be used in header menu bars (think e.g. discourse forum and project docs). I also like the font better.
To be completely honest, I find it hard to get excited about the circle with the cropped logo inside – it looks rather dull and somewhat corporate to me, more like a placeholder than an actual logo if I'm brutally honest.
It also wouldn't work with the ideas we previously talked about of continuing the commit graph lines down the page to tie in with other elements.
But that said, if it's what people want to go with, I'll live with it 😄
If we do go with the circular logo, I prefer the orange border to the grey one. But another idea I think might look better: what if the whole circle were solid with an orange/red gradient (not just the border), with the 'commit graph' part in white? I think that might look better. I'm not at the computer to try it out right now but I might get a chance tomorrow.
[edit: or maybe a solid black / dark gray circle with the commit graph in orange and red as it is now?]
Alternatively the same idea might work but with the whole "F" kept upright inside (white on an orange circle), which might still enable us to carry the line down the page to tie in with other elements if we wanted. Hmm, hard to describe, I'll see if I can find time to try it out...
To be completely honest, I find it hard to get excited about the circle with the cropped logo inside – it looks rather dull and somewhat corporate to me, more like a placeholder than an actual logo if I'm brutally honest.
It also wouldn't work with the ideas we previously talked about of continuing the commit graph lines down the page to tie in with other elements.
But that said, if it's what people want to go with, I'll live with it 😄
If we do go with the circular logo, I prefer the orange border to the grey one. But another idea I think might look better: what if the whole circle were solid with an orange/red gradient (not just the border), with the 'commit graph' part in white? I *think* that might look better. I'm not at the computer to try it out right now but I might get a chance tomorrow.
*[edit: or maybe a solid black / dark gray circle with the commit graph in orange and red as it is now?]*
Alternatively the same idea might work but with the whole "F" kept upright inside (white on an orange circle), which might still enable us to carry the line down the page to tie in with other elements if we wanted. Hmm, hard to describe, I'll see if I can find time to try it out...
It also wouldn't work with the ideas we previously talked about of continuing the commit graph lines down the page to tie in with other elements.
I wonder if this would work. The lines in the F aren't as thick as I imagine the commit graph further down the page need to be to look visually appealing.
> It also wouldn't work with the ideas we previously talked about of continuing the commit graph lines down the page to tie in with other elements.
I wonder if this would work. The lines in the F aren't as thick as I imagine the commit graph further down the page need to be to look visually appealing.
I wonder if this would work. The lines in the F aren't as thick as I imagine the commit graph further down the page need to be to look visually appealing.
They could be made a tad thicker, but I wonder if we are both envisaging the same thing… it's so hard to talk about design without making mockups!
> I wonder if this would work. The lines in the F aren't as thick as I imagine the commit graph further down the page need to be to look visually appealing.
They could be made a tad thicker, but I wonder if we are both envisaging the same thing… it's so hard to talk about design without making mockups!
Am I misreading the situation? I'm not involved (I lack the skills) and whatever people decide is fine with me. I'm just asking this question to get clarity.
Two days ago [it was my understanding that the logo was final](https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/23#issuecomment-698304) and that only [improvement to the design (color, style, [...])](https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/23#issuecomment-698245) were to happen. I included the logo [to yesterday's update](https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/updates/november-30th/) with a [link to the repository](https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/src/branch/readme/logo).
Now I'm under the impression that [another logo](https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/23#issuecomment-700519) is proposed and the [debate is re-opened](https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/23#issuecomment-701114).
Am I misreading the situation? I'm not involved (I lack the skills) and whatever people decide is fine with me. I'm just asking this question to get clarity.
I also thought it was final, @dachary, which was why I put time into trying out different colourschemes and then creating a wordmark.
So I was also surprised to see new suggestions after I thought it was settled.
Like you, I'm also fine with whatever people eventually decide (though I don't know how we decide, as a group, unless there is a consensus…). But until I know which route we are going down I won't put much more time into it as my time is quite limited at present, so I don't want to waste it on something the community doesn't like.
I also thought it was final, @dachary, which was why I put time into trying out different colourschemes and then creating a wordmark.
So I was also surprised to see new suggestions after I thought it was settled.
Like you, I'm also fine with whatever people eventually decide (though I don't know how we decide, as a group, unless there is a consensus…). But until I know which route we are going down I won't put much more time into it as my time is quite limited at present, so I don't want to waste it on something the community doesn't like.
For my part, I am just responding to matrix chat and giving my opinion. I made the suggestion to use temporary logo as basis for the final one.
This issue was closed, then reopened by @dachary who then voted. Looks like the process needed to be clearer :)
Based on last input by @foxlet I feel their second design a more appealing choice, and I vote for that.
For my part, I am just responding to matrix chat and giving my opinion. I made the suggestion to use temporary logo as basis for the final one.
This issue was closed, then reopened by @dachary who then voted. Looks like the process needed to be clearer :)
Based on last input by @foxlet I feel their second design a more appealing choice, and I vote for that.
There is quite a lot of fuzziness because the governance is being defined and there is no clear decision process just yet. That's what happens in bootstraps and I'm fine with that.
@circlebuilder since you want to keep exploring options with the logo, I'll re-open the issue so the discussion on a new logo can continue there while the current logo can keep being used in the meantime.
There is quite a lot of fuzziness because the governance is being defined and there is no clear decision process just yet. That's what happens in bootstraps and I'm fine with that.
@circlebuilder since you want to keep exploring options with the logo, I'll re-open the issue so the discussion on a new logo can continue there while the current logo can keep being used in the meantime.
dachary
changed title from Forgejo Logo to Forgejo Logo v12 months ago
Since it looks like we're going to keep exploring different logo options, I won't do much more with the current one – but I did make one tweak. Since one concern (particularly from @circlebuilder I believe) was that the lines were too thin, I created a "bold" version which I attach below.
Originally I didn't think it would work, but actually it looks fine to me and I think it will be clearer at small sizes.
Since it looks like we're going to keep exploring different logo options, I won't do much more with the current one – but I did make one tweak. Since one concern (particularly from @circlebuilder I believe) was that the lines were too thin, I created a "bold" version which I attach below.
Originally I didn't think it would work, but actually it looks fine to me and I think it will be clearer at small sizes.
I have also been playing with some options for a wordmark, which has been discussed today on Matrix with many variants presented.
I attatch below my latest variant, with different colour options. (The different colours could be used as appropriate in different places. Orange has the advantage of standing out on both light and dark backgorunds, whilst the white and black versions could be used where the backgorund colour is known.)
Based on any feedback I receive I can make some more changes tomorrow, or I'm also happy if people want to take a different approach altogether.
notwithstanding these bumpersticker/banner type textual treatments (which I like), the version 1 interim as a single logo/icon is something I much prefer in grayscale as it was.
from my post a few mins ago in it Matrix room:
I wasn't going to mention anything about it before, but honestly, I do like the the black, white, and gray logo much better, lolz.
Right after it was introduced as the interim i did immediately load it as a favicon and found it stark and easy to discern.
But whatever works as a placeholder is fine with me 🙂
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> Based on the comments from above, I pushed the "v2" image from above to https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/src/branch/readme/logo and set it as the logo on the Codeberg / Matrix / Fediverse accounts.
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> I have also been playing with some options for a wordmark, which has been [discussed today on Matrix](https://matrix.to/#/!qjPHwFPdxhpLkXMkyP:matrix.org/$4fvXBnxZ16WTPp0gOBjHl8A1w4fbrYmtJ8hS-lmWK2E) with many variants presented.
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> I attatch below my latest variant, with different colour options. (The different colours could be used as appropriate in different places. Orange has the advantage of standing out on both light and dark backgorunds, whilst the white and black versions could be used where the backgorund colour is known.)
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> <img width="50%" src="https://codeberg.org/attachments/37bbaabc-4307-4e9d-b47f-33ee4313ff28" />
> <img width="50%" src="https://codeberg.org/attachments/5e85a57e-b3fd-48cf-88a6-5166b8a89c01" />
> <img width="50%" src="https://codeberg.org/attachments/56dbd75f-31bf-4817-8908-ee91e197dc33" />
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> Based on any feedback I receive I can make some more changes tomorrow, or I'm also happy if people want to take a different approach altogether.
notwithstanding these bumpersticker/banner type textual treatments (which I like), the version 1 interim as a single logo/icon is something I much prefer in grayscale as it was.
from my post a few mins ago in it Matrix room:
> I wasn't going to mention anything about it before, but honestly, I do like the the black, white, and gray logo much better, lolz.
> Right after it was introduced as the interim i did immediately load it as a favicon and found it stark and easy to discern.
> But whatever works as a placeholder is fine with me 🙂
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caesar
Codename logoto Logo 3 months agoFollowup to the request sent today are added here.
Reply received today
Depends heavily on codename/meta#15
Reply sent today:
@circlebuilder you started a private discussion with D. Revoy and it seems to indicate he would be willing to create a logo and more. If I'm not mistaken you also wrote that you were willing to work with him until this is complete.
For this reason, I'm inclined to explain to http://fixate.it/ that they are a fallback option in case D. Revoy is not available. I don't think they will be offended to not be the first people we thought about. They will probably be amused that I'm admiting to it :-)
As you can see I removed the logo from the launch milestone because this is one thing that cannot be rushed nor iterated upon. I assume it is better to not have a logo at all before the launch rather than a temporary logo.
With that in mind... would you be willing to be assigned this task?
@dachary Yes, you are correct. I got confirmation by David to help with this. Then DM'ed on Matrix, and followed up by mail. But I haven't got a response thus far. Will gently ping again as soon as name choice is behind us.
Update: I sent David an update on naming status via the fedi this morning.
Mentioned in chat by @codejs:
Should be easy.. their logo is a hammer, not a smithy. And then we take a cool mascotte too.
Hot molten iron being poored into a mold, might be a nice one. "Mold the iron while it is hot" is a Dutch saying, meaning "You should take an opportunity when it presents itself".
Do we have any updates or plans regarding the logo?
I received a message from fixate.it on friday. They were about to check the status of the project and used the previous URL codename/meta#23 ... I should have thought to update them with the new name. I expect they will see this message some time next week and that they will post here to continue the discussion.
@circlebuilder I assume you have no news from David Revoy?
Hi everyone! This is Cassie from Fixate :)
I think I'm all caught up on your conversation, but let me know if I've missed anything, given my reply below:
I look forward to your reply!
Hi Cassie,
Thanks for taking the time to read through the backlog: it is quite noisy 😄 And I'm specially grateful for the clarity regarding your availability. It makes sense for Forgejo to get a logo as soon as possible but there seems to be an agreement among everyone involved that it is not something that can be rushed.
If that's ok with you and if noone objects, would you be ok to reserve time to work on that logo starting end of January?
Forgejo is currently a volunteer based project but funding is being worked on. A grant application will be sent in a week and there are discussions about a donation campaign. The long term sustainability of Forgejo requires a healthy mix of volunteers and paid staff.
How much would it cost for you to work on the Forgejo logo?
Cheers
For the record: as a stop-gap solution we picked a logo that was developed by a volunteer (non-designer) until we have something proper.
@dachary no, but as I suggested in chat I think we should make this as least time-consuming to David as possible. We can have all the content and layout in place and already brainstormed what kind of visuals would be nice. So David can immediately start sketching.
Also I think that maybe logo is a different task than mascotte. The logo could be done by others, will likely have a different style. Maybe based on a small crisp logo image, a larger hand-drawn sketched might be used.
(E.g. think of the blacksmith fantasy animal forging the logo.. holding it with plyers while steaming hot, etc)
Where is this interim logo available?
I'll upload the files here later (I'm not at my computer now). It's currently set as the avatar for the Codeberg org @forgejo and the fedi account https://floss.social/@forgejo.
Here is the "interim logo" in PNG format and the Inkscape SVG file for editing.
My idea was to create a logo based on the style of a Git branch / fork icon, but in the shape of a letter F. I'm not much of a designer… so I'm sure others can improve on it! Some colour might help too.
It was discussed yesterday on Matrix, where @circlebuilder pointed out that the logos for ForgeFriends, ForgeFed, and Social Coding all have a similar style / incorporate Git/DVCS branching iconography.
If we were to eventually go with a logo based on this idea, that would help to tie all these related projects together as a family.
@Ryuno-Ki pointed out that the rounded corners are appropriate for the concept of a "soft fork".
Really nice "interim logo". It has already spread and since it is "interim" I'm good with the idea that there is no vote or collective decision about it. It goes a long way to be able to launch on December 1st since @foxlet can use it for web design.
Logoto Interim Logo 2 months ago@dachary Sorry for the slow reply... these last few weeks of the year are sometimes the craziest!
We usually charge for logo work by the hour, and our hourly rate is $72/hr. Ultimately the amount of hours depend on the complexity of the work. While a logo seems simple, it takes a lot of work and thought to get right (for example, how does the logo read when really small vs really big?). On average we find that it takes about 20 hours to give our clients 2 - 3 logo options (depending on the design complexity).
Let me know your thoughts!
@CassieZ there is no need to apologize, there is no time pressure, it is good to have time to do thing right. I'll answer in the followup issue at #45
Could this (nice) interim logo be pushed to the https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta repository? I was thinking about where to write down "this is where the interim logo can be found" information but I can't figure it out right now. Maybe a README in the meta repository would be appropriate?
Sure, I'll do that this evening (tomorrow morning your time).
Would it make sense to add it to the Readme in forgejo/forgejo as well?
Why not.
I pushed the optimized files to https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/src/branch/readme/logo
(I hand-optimized the SVG so it is clean and much smaller than the Inkscape file. It can still be edited in Inkscape if desired.)
I'll come back to the README at forgejo/forgejo tomorrow.
In case you aren't aware: SVGOMG can optimise SVGs quite well as well.
Regarding the logo: I tried to capture discussions about it in the issue tracker as well so to already answer some questions that might come up.
Given the hourly rate (and we have some time until end of January?) we could thinking about where the money should come from to pay for the design work.
SVGO is great (and SVGOMG is a great frontend for it). I actually ran the Inkscape SVG thorough it first, and then cleaned up the resulting code and rewrote the path commands to give a cleaner / more semantic (and actually even smaller) result.
@caesar Some feedback for you:
That's great feedback to have from someone like David Revoy!
I agree about the colours, I might have a play with some options later.
As we discussed today in chat.. if its up to me no logo contest or commission is needed. If there's a logo contest, then use the intermediate logo a prescription and ask for further improvement to the design (color, style, that's it).
Interim Logoto Forgejo Logo 2 months ago@caesar I'm impressed 👍 I hope I've sorted out the interim/future/definitive logo issues correctly. If all is ok on your end feel free to close this one again!
Thanks @dachary!
To be clear, I only ever intended the image I created to be a demonstration of an idea, or at most a temporary logo.
But assuming everyone is happy with it (which seems to be the case from the feedback I have seen), I am very happy for it to become our permanent logo.
That being the case, I will play with developing it a bit and adding some colours. I already have some ideas 😄
I'm happy to leave this open until that is done, and I'll assign myself.
Alternatively if you want to close it to decultter the tracker that's fine too as I can still post updates here anyway.
I was playing with colours for the logo this evening and came up with a few options shown below. I think my favourite is the second, but the thrid could also work.
Tomorrow I will try to find a suitable font for a wordmark "Forgejo" using this "F" as the first letter. If anyone has any font suggestions (suitably-licensed) I'd be grateful.
Hard choice, but I'd go for v2
It seems that a hero image proposal with a wordmark has been already submitted: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/15#issuecomment-698244. Perhaps the two efforts could coordinate?
Indeed, both this work and that are the fruit of the same discussion in Matrix 👍
I vote for v2 as well.
Based on the comments from above, I pushed the "v2" image from above to https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/src/branch/readme/logo and set it as the logo on the Codeberg / Matrix / Fediverse accounts.
I have also been playing with some options for a wordmark, which has been discussed today on Matrix with many variants presented.
I attatch below my latest variant, with different colour options. (The different colours could be used as appropriate in different places. Orange has the advantage of standing out on both light and dark backgorunds, whilst the white and black versions could be used where the backgorund colour is known.)
Based on any feedback I receive I can make some more changes tomorrow, or I'm also happy if people want to take a different approach altogether.
Some additional sketches that were discussed on the Matrix channel...
Apart from the variation on the logo itself, I think it's much better to keep the logo and the wordmark separate as shown in the latest example.
I have the same opinion. @foxlet second version does it for me. The nice round emblem does better as small icon than the stand-alone F which start looking very thin and hard to discern. I find it still clear there are git / revision control branches involved, that represent an F and the rotation makes the logo look more playful, a creative abstraction.
The version also is neatly rectangular whereas the other version causes a lot of empty whitespace above the rest of the text, making it less suitable to be used in header menu bars (think e.g. discourse forum and project docs). I also like the font better.
To be completely honest, I find it hard to get excited about the circle with the cropped logo inside – it looks rather dull and somewhat corporate to me, more like a placeholder than an actual logo if I'm brutally honest.
It also wouldn't work with the ideas we previously talked about of continuing the commit graph lines down the page to tie in with other elements.
But that said, if it's what people want to go with, I'll live with it 😄
If we do go with the circular logo, I prefer the orange border to the grey one. But another idea I think might look better: what if the whole circle were solid with an orange/red gradient (not just the border), with the 'commit graph' part in white? I think that might look better. I'm not at the computer to try it out right now but I might get a chance tomorrow.
[edit: or maybe a solid black / dark gray circle with the commit graph in orange and red as it is now?]
Alternatively the same idea might work but with the whole "F" kept upright inside (white on an orange circle), which might still enable us to carry the line down the page to tie in with other elements if we wanted. Hmm, hard to describe, I'll see if I can find time to try it out...
I wonder if this would work. The lines in the F aren't as thick as I imagine the commit graph further down the page need to be to look visually appealing.
They could be made a tad thicker, but I wonder if we are both envisaging the same thing… it's so hard to talk about design without making mockups!
Two days ago it was my understanding that the logo was final and that only improvement to the design (color, style, [...]) were to happen. I included the logo to yesterday's update with a link to the repository.
Now I'm under the impression that another logo is proposed and the debate is re-opened.
Am I misreading the situation? I'm not involved (I lack the skills) and whatever people decide is fine with me. I'm just asking this question to get clarity.
I also thought it was final, @dachary, which was why I put time into trying out different colourschemes and then creating a wordmark.
So I was also surprised to see new suggestions after I thought it was settled.
Like you, I'm also fine with whatever people eventually decide (though I don't know how we decide, as a group, unless there is a consensus…). But until I know which route we are going down I won't put much more time into it as my time is quite limited at present, so I don't want to waste it on something the community doesn't like.
For my part, I am just responding to matrix chat and giving my opinion. I made the suggestion to use temporary logo as basis for the final one.
This issue was closed, then reopened by @dachary who then voted. Looks like the process needed to be clearer :)
Based on last input by @foxlet I feel their second design a more appealing choice, and I vote for that.
There is quite a lot of fuzziness because the governance is being defined and there is no clear decision process just yet. That's what happens in bootstraps and I'm fine with that.
@circlebuilder since you want to keep exploring options with the logo, I'll re-open the issue so the discussion on a new logo can continue there while the current logo can keep being used in the meantime.
Forgejo Logoto Forgejo Logo v1 2 months agoSince it looks like we're going to keep exploring different logo options, I won't do much more with the current one – but I did make one tweak. Since one concern (particularly from @circlebuilder I believe) was that the lines were too thin, I created a "bold" version which I attach below.
Originally I didn't think it would work, but actually it looks fine to me and I think it will be clearer at small sizes.
notwithstanding these bumpersticker/banner type textual treatments (which I like), the version 1 interim as a single logo/icon is something I much prefer in grayscale as it was.
from my post a few mins ago in it Matrix room:
⛵
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